Yes Instinct as you say. Also complicating matters is that the trainers use to be id’ by the version which would correspond to the version of the game executable. Now almost all the trainers I use are only identified by date and year only. Sorry to be so winded, but I’m not as sharp as I use to be. I will start writing the information I can get, dates or version. I don’t have a secretary any more so these things don’t seem so obvious to me until it slaps me silly. I’m retired now and my secretary was my wife. A lot of work owning a business. Thanks Instinct you and ptondo made me think it through.